Why Memories Matter
On this episode hosted by co-curators Quajay Donnell and Rob Bell, September featured artist Mina Kessler discusses her exhibition centered on memory, identity, and community through intimate photography and visual projection. We also highlight the work of Tali Conic, who as an Afro-Latina and queer person, created images that celebrate joy, culture, fashion, beauty and self-expression of community.
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Transcript
Quiet Storm is back.
Speaker A:Okay, enough of the jokes.
Speaker A:Welcome to another episode of behind the Glass, our monthly podcast where we dive into our featured artist.
Speaker A:And today we are talking with September, another exciting month.
Speaker A:And I think, you know, when we think about the run from this year and, you know, kind of navigating different spaces, the September group.
Speaker A:Geez, I would think that was our third show in seven days.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, right?
Speaker A:It was crazy.
Speaker A:That was a run.
Speaker A:Seven days.
Speaker A:We opened last Friday.
Speaker A:Golden.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Then we went to AM FM for an album release show, and then the following Friday, we were back at it.
Speaker A:Like, that was a Behind a Glass run.
Speaker B:And I was worried that we would be spread thin, but, like, all three were well attended.
Speaker B:People brought the heat.
Speaker B:I mean, you know, I think it shows the wealth of talent and passion that we have from the artists here in the community.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So you got the.
Speaker A:Obviously, the golden shows are always our alum, so very beautifully executed signage, if you will.
Speaker A:You know, show with Dev Dakota and Matt, and then, you know, obviously the.
Speaker A:The AM FM album release for Analog Dreams.
Speaker A:And I mean, that show, I think it's an alum.
Speaker A:Not alum, but alum.
Speaker A:Slash, curator special.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, with some of the work that.
Speaker A:That's on the wall and, you know, just some of the.
Speaker A:The energy behind the work.
Speaker A:Some stuff that was, you know, kind of dug out of deep archives, if you will, or, you know, you know, just that we were joking at the behind the Glass opening at Farmhouse about, you know, how it felt like, you know, when BET used to do those ciphers.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And you, like, go back and forth, like.
Speaker A:All right, let me.
Speaker A:Let me go back around and let me get another.
Speaker A:All right, let me.
Speaker A:What are you bringing?
Speaker A:What am I bringing?
Speaker A:Okay, let me go back to the drawing board and the amount of times in our group text that, you know, what you were bringing, what someone was bringing changed, I think was really fun.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker A:To have, obviously, yourself, me, Richard and Narada, and then complimented by Jordan Pizarro's brilliant paintings that really were a beautiful nod to hip hop and music in general and just kind of that spirit.
Speaker A:So that show will be up for, you know, probably through the beginning, mid Aug.
Speaker A:I'm sorry, October.
Speaker A:We are out of September.
Speaker A:We're into October.
Speaker A:The last Friday show is up until actually just another.
Speaker A:Another week or so.
Speaker A:Yeah, another week or so.
Speaker A:But the show that is up at Farmhouse is up until the end of September.
Speaker A:And we're going to talk to our featured artist, Mina, who is in studio, but we.
Speaker A:One of the other Artists is not with us.
Speaker A:And so I wanted to talk a little bit about Tali's work and, you know, just how beautiful it was or is.
Speaker A:And, you know, me and Rob always talk about this and something that we talked about when Richard was here as well, how our curation is really bringing people together.
Speaker A:And then what happens after that is where the real magic happens, right.
Speaker A:That Mina and Tally met for the first time during installation.
Speaker A:Face to face.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Obviously been some other communication, but face to face, which is always interesting to see.
Speaker A:But then as their work went up on the wall, it was like, wow.
Speaker A:The, you know, and Mina will talk a little bit about, you know, has this very nostalgic feel, but also things that are very personal and rooted to her and who she is.
Speaker A:And Tali's work is very similar, right?
Speaker A:In how it's a nod to Hispanic heritage, how it's a nod to, you know, just the Latinx, her Latin X bringing in Afro Latina, right.
Speaker A:And being a.
Speaker A:A queer person herself.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And so how those pieces inform how she does her work.
Speaker A:And in the work she talks about, the photos that were created, these were all done last year.
Speaker A:Beautiful, beautiful work during Pride Month.
Speaker A:And, you know, as part of this series, it was really exploring the intersection of Latinx heritage and queer identity as the project really came to be.
Speaker A:It really came through, you know, building community, connections.
Speaker A:And, you know, she put out this open call to Latinx LGBTQ folks as part of this series.
Speaker A:And, you know, was.
Speaker A:She said she was overwhelmed by.
Speaker A:By the response.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And it was really a special opportunity for her to get to meet people.
Speaker A:She had this beautiful book that she had on out on display that told not only the folks that were up on the wall, but people that were part of that series, their stories.
Speaker A:And, you know, it allowed her to collaborate with many talented groups of artists, but also there were models, there were stylists, there were makeup artists, hairstyle, hairstylists, designers.
Speaker A:So really a production she put together around us.
Speaker A:And, you know, the project was.
Speaker A:Was personal and I think very similar to.
Speaker A:To what Mina will talk about.
Speaker A:Very personal collection of work.
Speaker A:And, you know, she wanted to celebrate and create images that really, you know, highlighted the parts of her.
Speaker A:Her own identities, but also the identity of those folks that.
Speaker A:That are around her that are often overlooked, like Joy, culture, fashion, beauty, self expression and community.
Speaker A:Rather than focusing only on the struggle.
Speaker A:Yeah, you can feel it in the images that.
Speaker A:That joy.
Speaker A:You can feel that.
Speaker A:That culture, and you definitely feel the fashion, right?
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:You can see it.
Speaker A:And I Remember, during installation, Mina said these could be five, six times larger.
Speaker A:You know, you kind of.
Speaker A:You're.
Speaker A:You're in these images and you see different details as you explore.
Speaker A:And, you know, for.
Speaker A:For her and for.
Speaker A:For us, you know, at behind the Glass, it was important to really create that space where people see themselves.
Speaker A:Something that we continue to go back to, you know, as we invite artists into the space.
Speaker A:But, you know, the way she did it is very vibrant, you know, celebratory, and, you know, really talks about how and shows and gives people that opportunity to be seen in the work.
Speaker A:And, you know, many people that came out, you know, Behind a Glass has a core group of people that come out every month, right.
Speaker A:Regardless of who's on the wall, they want to come out and support.
Speaker A:But it's always interesting to see who comes out specifically for the artist and that person.
Speaker A:And, you know, seeing people come in and bringing flowers and sharing hugs and stories, and I think that's always, always important.
Speaker A:But it also is a.
Speaker A:Is a great nod to the artists themselves for having that community around them.
Speaker A:And, you know, it's.
Speaker A:It's a beautiful collection of work.
Speaker A:And again, it.
Speaker A:It's going to be up at behind the Glass through the end of the month at our farmhouse location up on the second floor.
Speaker A:Grab a cup of coffee, a salad, sandwich, whatever you.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:You see fit, and.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And enjoy the.
Speaker A:That art.
Speaker B:And I think the word that you landed on that resonates for me is the details, Right.
Speaker B:Like, you talk about the production that went into those photos with Tal, also with Mina's work, like.
Speaker B:Like you said, Q.
Speaker B:When we put together two artists, it's never this grand plan of, oh, this person we know is gonna bring this work and that goes with that work.
Speaker B:It's just like, no, we just have a hunch that these two people would make a good show.
Speaker A:It's definitely.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then organically every month, like, it's always a through line between the two artists.
Speaker B:And I think this.
Speaker B:This month is definitely the details.
Speaker B:We'll talk about, you know, those details with Mina, but I think when.
Speaker B:When there's specific detail put in the work, you spend more time with it and your eye is drawn to so many things.
Speaker B:And I think what is dope about the detail of these two artists this month is that it's not overwhelming detail.
Speaker B:It's like, it looks like a simple image.
Speaker B:It looks like a shot out of a photo book somewhere, right.
Speaker B:Or like a personal photo album.
Speaker B:But then you look at it a little longer, you're like.
Speaker B:Oh, you know, it's like those waves of engagement that you get with the detail.
Speaker C:So something I've been talking about a lot recently is finesse.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:That's a great.
Speaker C:I think finesse is one of those things where it's.
Speaker C:It's that step towards, you know, it's the things somebody doesn't notice.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Unless you're really attuned to it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:But, you know, the general person looking at doesn't notice the finesse.
Speaker C:They just feel something different.
Speaker C:They feel that intent and the polish and the drive.
Speaker C:But that comes with that finesse of doing this multiple times, you know, taking pictures, being a passionate person and caring about the details.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, this was, you know, one of the more subtle uses of, like, double exposure I've seen in a show.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:But as you mentioned, very harmonious as well.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, obviously, we're not.
Speaker A:We're not stalkers.
Speaker A:I just want to kind of preface that.
Speaker C:Speak for yourself.
Speaker A:Heavy on a disclosure of not stalkers.
Speaker A:But we spend a lot of time looking at Instagram images that people share and kind of picking up on energy and seeing their work in other spaces.
Speaker A:And I had the privilege of working with Talia on In the Moment.
Speaker A:She was the.
Speaker A:My photo partner.
Speaker A:I did the essay for Mama Mel, and so that's how we initially met.
Speaker A:And I just thought there was, you know, something beautiful about her work and how she captured people.
Speaker A:And then, you know, I crossed paths with Mina first on social and then obviously in.
Speaker A:In person, and I thought there was something that would make sense between the two of them.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And I think I told both of them they were.
Speaker A:They were with other people initially.
Speaker A:And then as I started to think about it, I went back and I said, hey, Rob.
Speaker A:Hey, Rich.
Speaker A:Like, what do you think?
Speaker A:Like, what do you think about this pair?
Speaker A:Or what about this pair?
Speaker A:Or what about.
Speaker A:And when we landed on this combo, it made the most sense in terms of, you know, how they presented their work.
Speaker A:But then once you saw the work up, you were like, duh.
Speaker A:Like, you know, again, not stalking, researching, Intuition.
Speaker B:That's right, intuition.
Speaker A:So with that said, Mina, welcome to the show.
Speaker A:How are you?
Speaker A:Good.
Speaker D:How are you guys doing?
Speaker A:We're doing well.
Speaker A:Thank you for joining us.
Speaker A:And we kind of teed up a little bit for you.
Speaker A:And I know in your substack, the quote at the beginning really sets it off, is our memories and the relationship, relationships we have with people is what make us who we are.
Speaker A:And so when I talk about, you know, Tali's work and how, you know, obviously that, that connection with, you know, Latinx and queer and, you know, folks in that space.
Speaker A:There is a strong connection in your work to who you are.
Speaker A:So tell us a little bit about the, the work you have up, and then we're going to kind of backtrack to know who you are.
Speaker D:Sure.
Speaker D:What was the first question?
Speaker A:Sorry, I, like, load them sometimes.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker D:Okay, first question hit me.
Speaker A:It was, you know.
Speaker D:Thank you.
Speaker A:Tell us about the work that you have on display.
Speaker D:Yeah, so first, thank you for having me.
Speaker D:I really appreciate it.
Speaker D:This is really, this is a really cool experience and something that I, I feel like I'm usually pouring into other people and doing things for other people so much in, like, the creative space.
Speaker D:So getting to do this is, you know, like different.
Speaker D:You know, I'm usually behind the camera or, you know, behind the computer doing the thing.
Speaker D:So it's cool to be here.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:So my work.
Speaker D:Well, I'm glad that you hit me up when you did because it gave me months to think about who I am.
Speaker D:Like, I don't get to do this very often, so.
Speaker D:And I haven't done this in, I told you, a couple years.
Speaker D:And so I really had to, like, dig deep into what I wanted to present because I know it's just kind of a handful of pieces to showcase, you know, who you are as an artist.
Speaker D:I think, you know, just from, from some past events that we've done together.
Speaker D:You know, I think you guys have seen the projection art that I've done.
Speaker D:And so that's definitely like a medium that I have been passionate about.
Speaker D: d ever since I, this was like: Speaker D:I, I was, I came out to Rochester for college and grad school hit, and I was, I was kind of, I don't know, bored a little bit with the classes, the studio classes.
Speaker D:I was going for art education, and I had taken all the studios already and, you know, all the traditional mediums.
Speaker D:So, you know, film, photography, sculpture, ceramics, painting, drawing, all those things, anything that people consider like, traditional art, and those are all beautiful mediums.
Speaker D:I'm glad that I've experienced and gotten to do, you know, do all of those things, but I hadn't ever gotten to explore anything beyond that really.
Speaker D:And so I decided to do, you know, there was a.
Speaker D:My friend kind of pushed me to do the study abroad in Berlin.
Speaker D:And I don't know if anyone's been to Berlin or know anything about Berlin.
Speaker D:But Berlin is like, you're.
Speaker D:It's just a very freeing city, you know, and they're all.
Speaker D:Everyone there is like, experimenting and doing something different and, and so.
Speaker D:And that's where I got exposed to, you know, more contemporary art and, and people doing projection, you know, work.
Speaker D:They have a festival every October called.
Speaker D:I think it's called the.
Speaker D:The Festival of Lights.
Speaker D:And the whole, like, the whole city of Berlin lights up and, you know, there's different projection artists that they bring in and they map out, you know, the buildings and.
Speaker D:And, you know, the city comes to life.
Speaker D:So would recommend.
Speaker D:If you haven't done it, it's really cool.
Speaker D:I've done it a couple times.
Speaker D:But anyways, that was the first time I'd ever seen something like that.
Speaker D:And then in my classes that I was doing, I was in this.
Speaker D:It was called Media Spaces.
Speaker D:It was a master's program and it was English speaking, so I didn't know German.
Speaker D:So I got to learn how to do projection mapping.
Speaker D:And it was the first time I had experienced that.
Speaker D:I'm like, what?
Speaker D:This is so cool.
Speaker D:And I went to Nazareth College.
Speaker D:Represent.
Speaker A:But yeah, you know, Rob is a agile.
Speaker D:Okay, okay.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker D:I'm not gonna, like, no shade.
Speaker D:No shade.
Speaker D:This just.
Speaker D:But like,.
Speaker A:No, like, I mean, I said adjohn.
Speaker A:I didn't say he was 10 years.
Speaker A:You're a little shitty, right?
Speaker A:I'm just kidding.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker D:So.
Speaker D:All right.
Speaker C:Rob Bell's influence is woven into the history of the entire college.
Speaker B:I'm there two hours a week.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker D:So this is.
Speaker D:This is a safe space.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:No, so, like, I loved Naz for the things that I got out of it, but I think I needed to be challenged more and in different ways, like, creatively.
Speaker D:And so Berlin was definitely the space for me in that way.
Speaker D:And I was there for six months.
Speaker D:I learned a lot.
Speaker D:I came back and, you know, and then I. I graduated and got my degree in art education and I went off to go teach.
Speaker D:I was teaching digital media art at the high school level and for.
Speaker D:For a couple years.
Speaker D:And I. I loved teaching and I tried to incorporate the things that I learned into, you know, from, you know, I tried incorporating like, photography with projection and, you know, trying to experiment in the classroom that, like things that I never got to do before in my own class.
Speaker D:So that was really cool.
Speaker D:My students were like, projection, what is this?
Speaker D:But again, going back to the show, I never got to do these things myself.
Speaker D:You know, I was.
Speaker D:I went from like, being in the classroom really fast and like learning it and seeing it to, trying to teach it to my students and you know, getting like snippets of like, you know, the, the dopamine of like doing it myself, but not for a reason.
Speaker D:You know, I'm just showing people the technique.
Speaker D:So.
Speaker D:Yeah, so I wanted to incorporate projection and I did with, you know, that little, that little cloud install in the beginning where it has my name in this, you know, 3D printed cloud.
Speaker D:And it's actually the video that's projected over it is a video of clouds from the last time I was on an airplane.
Speaker D:I like to take textures, but I call them, I like to take like textures of different places that I go.
Speaker D:If I'm on a boat and like the water is running, I'll like film, you know, like a minute long clip.
Speaker D:I don't know I'm going to use it for.
Speaker D:But the more projection things I've been doing now I have this like collection of textures.
Speaker D:And so the last time I was on this plane, you know, I was in the sky and it was just super fluffy, you know, a layer of fluffy clouds and then blue sky.
Speaker D:And we've all seen it, but it's just every time I'm up in the air, I don't know, it, it's just like, it's, it's.
Speaker D:You don't see it every day.
Speaker D:So, you know, I took this, I took this video.
Speaker D:I'm like, I don't know, I'm gonna use this for.
Speaker D:And then, I don't know, clouds just kind of have come to me as like a reoccurring like component that I wanted to incorporate into something.
Speaker D:And then with this whole, I know it started to come together.
Speaker D:I was going through my phone with like, you know, my travels and stuff and then that video popped up and I was like, clouds, you know, and, and then I, I wanted to touch on these different parts of my life with, you know, people in my life.
Speaker D:Whether they, you know, it was a painful time or, you know, a person that I loved and lost or, you know, relationships.
Speaker D:It was all these things that I wanted to kind of incorporate.
Speaker D:And it's similar to clouds.
Speaker D:It's like they're, they're ever changing like life.
Speaker D:I know it's cheesy, but it's not cheesy at all.
Speaker A:So how did you.
Speaker A:I mean, I know obviously the, the cloud and I love the cloud projection and I'm happy.
Speaker A:Thank you for telling me where the video came from because I was just kind of lost in it.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:But now that you're telling me that it was on a plane, it makes sense because I don't fly often, and I actually just flew a couple weeks back for, like, the first time in ages.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:But once we were up in the air, is something peaceful about looking out that window and you're watching the clouds?
Speaker A:You're just kind of floating there.
Speaker A:You know, the one of the really cool things you did, besides that projection, was your frames are clouds.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, how did you.
Speaker A:Once you had clouds in your mind?
Speaker A:Was that like, I'm gonna go.
Speaker A:I'm gonna go for the cloud theme through and through.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:I leaned into it hard.
Speaker D:You know, I'm.
Speaker D:I wouldn't say a maximalist, but, like, when I want to, like, present something, I mean, I' I'm a designer by trade, so I like to brand things.
Speaker D:And, you know, I think you guys.
Speaker D:You guys do the same, you know, like, you want to see it.
Speaker D:You want to see a project all the way through to the end.
Speaker D:And so, you know, I was like, my.
Speaker D:My sister's boyfriend is he.
Speaker D:He does a lot of stuff with 3D printing, and he's kind of like, yeah, anytime you have an idea, you know, like, let's do it.
Speaker D:And I was like, phil, I have an idea.
Speaker A:Was that the first time you had taken him up on if you have an idea?
Speaker D:Yeah, I think so.
Speaker A:I mean, he was like, oh, you know, when you tell someone, you're like, hey, yo, when you're in town, just hit me up.
Speaker A:And then it hit you up in.
Speaker D:Your life, you're like, ah, shit.
Speaker A:He's like, wait, you have an idea?
Speaker A:Wait, you want to do clowns, right?
Speaker D:No, honestly, it was even cooler because he was in it.
Speaker D:You know, he was like, hey, when do you want to do this?
Speaker D:Hey, you know what?
Speaker D:We could add, like, a motion sensor to it where when people come up, there's, like, a little sound bite that comes.
Speaker D:Unfortunately, given the time.
Speaker D:By time, we had, like, executed everything that we wanted to.
Speaker D:That component didn't work out, which is why I had sound incorporated with, like, audio clips incorporated with the projection.
Speaker D:I think it still came together.
Speaker D:You know, it was.
Speaker D:It came together.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:I mean, only the three of us and Phil know about this.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:So now shout out, Phil.
Speaker A:But there was something beautiful about the.
Speaker A:And we'll go back to the clouds and those images in a second.
Speaker A:But in your projection, like, I watched a lot of people just stand and watch the projection, and then when they heard audio, they would lean a little bit.
Speaker A:And they say, whose voice is that?
Speaker A:Or what's happening?
Speaker A:And I think one of the voicemails.
Speaker A:Is it your grandmother's?
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker A:Which I think touched a lot of different folks.
Speaker A:And, you know, when we think about our elders, especially our grandparents, you know, they hold a special place.
Speaker A:And I know there were a couple folks that, you know, kind of became this moment of talking about grandparents and overall, but also grandmothers.
Speaker A:But I mean, I think that is when you think about a beautiful tribute, to add that person into.
Speaker A:It was, Was just.
Speaker A:Was gorgeous, but it was also not something that you knew was happening.
Speaker A:You didn't know that was coming.
Speaker A:And I think that that was beautifully executed.
Speaker D:Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker D:Yeah, I don't know, to be honest, I, like, cut that all the day before the show.
Speaker D:And I, I, I work better under pressure.
Speaker D:I don't know.
Speaker A:I, I think I just shared.
Speaker A:I think I just shared.
Speaker A:I, I could stare at a blank.
Speaker A:So someone had posted, and I re.
Speaker A:Shared it, and I said I could stare at a blank screen for five days, and the deadline could be 9:00am and I do my best work at 3:00am yes.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And I'm, I'm gonna pound it out.
Speaker A:I'm gonna get this done.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker D:And so, because no one's bothering you.
Speaker A:No one's bothering you.
Speaker A:It's just you're.
Speaker A:And you don't have to think about it too much, because if you have it and it's sitting there for a week, you're like, oh, maybe I'll recut.
Speaker A:Maybe I'll change.
Speaker A:It's up.
Speaker A:I already did it.
Speaker A:I'm ready to go.
Speaker D:I need pressure.
Speaker B:Readers need deadlines.
Speaker A:We do.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker B:Because you'll create forever.
Speaker D:Yeah, no, exactly.
Speaker B:If you, if you got the time right, keep creating.
Speaker B:So we need.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:And the part about my grandma, like, my grandma, unfortunately, she's passed, but, you know, she was.
Speaker D:That was my person, you know, Like, I, I don't know.
Speaker D:She just made me feel, like, seen.
Speaker D:She was, like, I don't know, just so herself in so many ways.
Speaker D:And she was, like, in her 70s and just didn't care, like, what people thought.
Speaker D:And also, just in terms of, like, culture, you know, my, My mom's side, her parents, my, My, My grandfather.
Speaker D:I never got to meet him, but he was from Puerto Rico, and I feel like I kind of missed out on that culture.
Speaker D:And when he moved from Puerto Rico to Brooklyn and had his family with my grandma, he assimilated so many people at that time, I think.
Speaker D:And so Spanish wasn't spoken in the household, and there were so many questions I just would love to ask.
Speaker D:And so, you know, I think, like, through my grandma, I got the culture that I, you know, was like, that I.
Speaker D:That I needed, you know, to kind of feel more.
Speaker D:To understand myself more, you know.
Speaker D:And so my grandma's like, you know, she was born in Jamaica and, like, came to the States.
Speaker D:And, like, I, you know, I just loved hearing about her stories.
Speaker D:And, you know, she just, like, her cooking was amazing.
Speaker D:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker D:She could.
Speaker D:She just, like, cook anything.
Speaker D:And you're like, okay.
Speaker D:And she loved butter.
Speaker D:She loved mayonnaise, all the bad things.
Speaker D:But.
Speaker D:But, like, you know, but, you know,.
Speaker A:Those are major food groups.
Speaker D:She's like, I'm a buttercream gal.
Speaker D:I'm like, me, too, grandma.
Speaker D:But, you know, but she just taught me so much about myself, and just not to, like, I don't know, not be afraid to just do.
Speaker D:Do what you want to do.
Speaker D:And especially at the.
Speaker D:For.
Speaker D:At the time that she grew up, I think she like, really kind of pushed boundaries with things, and I appreciate that.
Speaker D:So, anyways, I had to.
Speaker D:I had to honor her in that way.
Speaker D:And.
Speaker D:And then, you know, my parents were.
Speaker D:Their wedding photo is in there, and, you know, they're no longer together.
Speaker D:I don't know.
Speaker D:It's.
Speaker D:I wanted to incorporate parts of myself that maybe, okay, maybe you don't have the full story, but you can understand, like, you know, maybe everyone's had loss.
Speaker D:Everyone's loved.
Speaker D:Everyone's, like, had a relationship that they've, you know, felt something, and it's.
Speaker D:It's gone or.
Speaker D:I don't know.
Speaker D:So I wanted to just connect with people in that way, and it.
Speaker D:I think it did exactly what I wanted it to do.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:I mean, each shot was like a vignette, and I think the written piece of it that you added to it, I mean, as I was going through the images and reading, like you said, I may not have had all the context or background on each photo, but that little piece of context that you gave with each kind of blurb under, like, connected, like.
Speaker B:Yeah, I know what that feels like.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, I know.
Speaker A:I know about that.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was really special.
Speaker B:I mean, I don't think that there's a right way to do behind the glass, everybody approaches it differently.
Speaker B:Differently.
Speaker B:But I love when artists do what you do, what you did, which is give us, like, this cohesive story, really, from the way you framed it, from the presentation, just.
Speaker B:Everything was just very well done.
Speaker D:Thank you.
Speaker B:Very well done.
Speaker D:Thank you.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, you.
Speaker A:You said it in your intro, and then obviously, you know, on.
Speaker A:On your.
Speaker A:On the sub stack.
Speaker A:You know, the memory is not simply something one goes back to.
Speaker A:It is the basic material which shapes your art right from here in Rochester.
Speaker A:And, you know, maybe someone relays to every image you have on the wall, or maybe someone relates to one of the images and so that memory for them may make them, you know, you know, they.
Speaker A:They'll reflect back and say, you know, what I did.
Speaker A:Go through that.
Speaker A:Or they see a picture of your grandmother and know that, you know, you've lost her and call their grandmother.
Speaker A:Or, you know, they see their childhood home and then remember, you know, all of the fun and joy and things that they did in their.
Speaker A:Their childhood home.
Speaker A:And I think what's so interesting about childhood homes in general is they seem so much larger when you're a child, and then when you revisit them, you're like this little rinky thing, right?
Speaker C:This is.
Speaker A:This is it.
Speaker A:But it was something that.
Speaker D:Like a castle.
Speaker A:Yeah, but it was something that informed so much of who you were, whether you lived there for five years, 10 years, 20, whatever it was.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's a space that fills a part of your heart and similar to you, you know, and.
Speaker A:And there's this level of vulnerability that, you know, when you talk about yourself having poured into other people's creativity and teaching in the classroom and helping folks.
Speaker A:And I, as you came in before we were on Mike, you were talking about how you helped, you know, Scotts with their rebranding.
Speaker A:Know, and I think the.
Speaker A:When I messaged you to kind of talk about it, you were painting a mural somewhere.
Speaker A:So here are all of these projects and that were happening, and for this one to be, you know, you.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I don't think there's the.
Speaker A:The vulnerability of it.
Speaker A:Like, you, you know, kind of pull back those layers and they say, you know, who is Mina?
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker A:This is Mina.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like, you may not be able to get the full picture, but it helps inform, you know, how you move, maybe how you make your art, how you, you know, are inspired, how you live day to day and.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker D:Yeah, I. I guess I just, like I said, I wanted to connect with people, and people were coming up to me at the end of the night, like, hey, this piece, like, tell me more.
Speaker D:Hey, like, you know, you.
Speaker D:You gave just enough.
Speaker D:And I like that, you know, and.
Speaker D:Or the grandma, you know, like two.
Speaker D:Two.
Speaker D:Two of the girls that showed up at the beginning, they were like, grandmas are special.
Speaker D:Like, we both lost our grandma.
Speaker D:And I was like, oh, Like, I. I get it.
Speaker D:I feel it.
Speaker D:You know, I totally understand.
Speaker D:And, you know, we had a moment together, and that was just.
Speaker D:I didn't know these people, you know, but that was just really cool.
Speaker A:I had three grandfathers, so I had two grandfathers and a bonus grandfather.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Um, and those are my guys.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, and then I had two grandmothers.
Speaker A:I had my grandmother, who's still with us in her 90s, and I have a.
Speaker A:Had a bonus grandmother.
Speaker A:And my grandfathers were, you know, just guys, you know, they're like, okay, we're gonna go do stuff.
Speaker A:And, you know, one of my grandfathers is a mechanic.
Speaker A:Another one was a preacher, and.
Speaker A:And the other one had long retired, and that was the.
Speaker A:The person I connected to the most.
Speaker A:But there's something about grandmothers, and they'll tell you straight up that they love their children, but they love.
Speaker D:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Their grandkids.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:So if their children gets between them and their grandkids, guess who's going.
Speaker A:My mom has told me straight up.
Speaker A:Yeah, get out of the way.
Speaker A:Those are my grandkids.
Speaker A:And I will, you know, and I think that's grandmothers, you know, are, you know, 10 toes down, and they will.
Speaker A:I mean, Rob laughed a little bit, because I've met his mom, and I know.
Speaker B:She'll cut you, and I know.
Speaker A:How she feels about her grandkids.
Speaker A:I also know how she feels about Rob.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:She cut out every clipping of him when he was working at the DNC and.
Speaker A:Always there to support, but I'm sure, you know, it's a little different when it comes to the grandkids.
Speaker A:But that's the beauty of grandmothers.
Speaker A:And I think, you know, when we have them, we.
Speaker A:We cherish them, and when they're gone, we keep them.
Speaker A:Yeah, they're always with us.
Speaker D:Yeah, totally.
Speaker D:And, like, I. I think, you know, in my.
Speaker D:In my.
Speaker D:My little blurb related to my grandma, I said, like, you know, I grow.
Speaker D:I grow dahlias for you every year since she's passed, her.
Speaker D:Her name was Dahlia.
Speaker D:And, you know, the dahlia flowers, they're known as the queens of the garden, and they are these gorgeous flowers.
Speaker D:And so this summer, I planted them, and they're just, like.
Speaker D:They just keep coming up, and it's beautiful because they thrive in the fall, which is when things start to die down.
Speaker D:And so it's just something that I feel like I'm still, you Know, she passed away in the fall.
Speaker D:I feel like there's something with that where it's like, I.
Speaker D:It's the time when I kind of have her around with me in a way and I get to share these flowers, you know, with people and.
Speaker D:Yeah, and like you said, like, grandmas are special.
Speaker D:And she, you know, another part of one of the images that I shared was a picture from my wedding day.
Speaker D:So I'm no longer married.
Speaker D:And that was something that I think I. I was like, ashamed for a little while because, you know, when, when you hear the D word, people are like, I don't know, but maybe that's an.
Speaker D:That might.
Speaker D:I think that was in my head for the longest time.
Speaker D:I was afraid to like, share that with people and not everything works out.
Speaker D:And I've like, made peace with it.
Speaker D:I'm in a relationship now with somebody who like, sees me and loves me and it feels so good and it's.
Speaker D:It feels so right and.
Speaker D:But, you know, I just wanted to share that, share that image as like, it was a happy day and I don't want to erase that happiness because that was also a day that I chose my grandma to walk me down the aisle.
Speaker D:And two months later her cancer came back and she passed.
Speaker D:And so it was just something where it's like, you know, there's photos of her walking me down the aisle and I don't want to see those photos as negative.
Speaker D:Like, that was so special to me that she was with.
Speaker D:There with me.
Speaker D:And so, you know, I think anyone can relate to, you know, seeing past photos again.
Speaker D:You're.
Speaker D:It was just a different part of your life.
Speaker D:And it doesn't mean to say that you can't like, relish on those, those times and still enjoy the memories of those things.
Speaker B:I think out of all of your images, that was the one that was the most striking for me because I've talked about this a lot, how it's always been weird for me with past partners or just people in life who know you so well and you share life with them and then all of a sudden one day they become strangers.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:And that's a weird ass feeling.
Speaker D:It's so weird.
Speaker B:Especially when you look at old photos because it's like, damn, I remember everything about that moment and now this person isn't in my life anymore.
Speaker B:So I think it was incredibly brave to like, process that through the show and display it for people and give people the context of like, this is who this is.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm like, that took a lot and you know, I. I did a show, you know, last.
Speaker B:Last fall that was really intimate and about something personal.
Speaker B:And I remember somebody asked me how I felt, and I'm like, I feel naked.
Speaker D:You're just like.
Speaker A:I mean, you had.
Speaker C:Perceiving you, Rob.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Sorry for perceiving you during that show, Rob.
Speaker B:I apologize.
Speaker B:No, it ends, by the way, no one wants to see me naked.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker A:I mean, that was deeply personal.
Speaker A:We're in your living room.
Speaker A:We're in your space, like, very much so.
Speaker A:So, like, your daughter is.
Speaker A:Has a bowl of cereal to her head, like.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was so.
Speaker C:Also to give Rob his flowers.
Speaker C:One of the, like, more impactful shows I've seen in, like, now that I've been tied to the scene for a while.
Speaker C:Like, that one really hit me because it was viscerally honest.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:There's.
Speaker C:That honesty is.
Speaker C:Takes effort, emotional effort.
Speaker C:There's weight to it.
Speaker C:It's not just a picture.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Now it's.
Speaker C:Now you're putting yourself into that.
Speaker C:And that's.
Speaker C:It's not an easy process.
Speaker B:No, it's not.
Speaker B:And I wonder how you felt just having it out there.
Speaker D:So scared.
Speaker D:No, like, not scared, but just.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Like you said, naked.
Speaker D:It's open, but it's.
Speaker D:It's also real and raw.
Speaker D:And I think, you know, similar to.
Speaker D:I think about this all the time when people are asking, just, you know, casually, hey, how's it going?
Speaker D:You know, how you doing?
Speaker D:And usually the usual response is like, good.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm okay.
Speaker D:Yeah, great.
Speaker D:But, like, are you?
Speaker D:No, I mean, maybe you are, but I. I think that's the thing, you know, like, that's our.
Speaker D:Just our, like autumn auto response.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:Like, we are good.
Speaker D:It's fine.
Speaker D:Is it?
Speaker D:I don't know, like, and it feels.
Speaker B:Like you took this opportunity to say, maybe I'm not good or.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, not that they're all bad memories.
Speaker D:No.
Speaker A:Or more of.
Speaker A:It's like, I'm good, but this is how I got there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Like, I. I'm definitely, you know, there's not every day is peaceful, but I'm happy at this point in my life that I've gotten to.
Speaker D:Because I've.
Speaker D:I've found peace.
Speaker D:I've created peace for myself.
Speaker D:I've, you know, set boundaries, like doing adult things.
Speaker D:I don't know.
Speaker D:Yeah, you just.
Speaker D:Yeah, it's.
Speaker D:It's.
Speaker D:It's just I wanted to show that side of me because I also wanted to have real conversations with people and not just have people Walk through and be like, that was nice.
Speaker B:That's a nice building.
Speaker D:And.
Speaker D:And I should say, too, like, I also want to, like, you know, this kind of got me inspired to.
Speaker D:It lit a fire under me to start making more for myself.
Speaker D:I've started to say no to projects, which is very hard for me, but because I want to do more of this.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:And I don't.
Speaker D:Some.
Speaker D:I don't know, I'm thinking, like, some of the things I just want to make are, like, pretty things or like, things that you just experience.
Speaker D:Like, maybe you walk through a room and it's just like glitter and cool music and, you know, something fun to touch.
Speaker D:I don't know.
Speaker D:Like, I.
Speaker D:But that's just where it's like, you can.
Speaker D:I don't think as an artist, I'm getting.
Speaker D:I'm trying to be more comfortable with the fact that, like, I don't need to, you know, be in, like, the same genre every time.
Speaker D:And I think that also maybe thinking of music, too.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:How like, you know, certain artists in.
Speaker D:In the world.
Speaker D:I. I used to be like, wait, you were country, and now you're pop, and now you're crap.
Speaker D:Like, this doesn't make any sense.
Speaker D:Now I'm like, oh, wait, I get it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Don't put me in a box.
Speaker D:I want to be out of the box.
Speaker D:So I don't know.
Speaker C:Well, and I think it's also kind of a special thing to, you know, those kind of things can only happen having lived.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Having lived life.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Like, you can't.
Speaker C:You can't manufacture that kind of depth of feeling.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Those.
Speaker C:Those things are.
Speaker C:They don't come.
Speaker C:They don't come for free.
Speaker C:And it's.
Speaker C:I think that's what often is something that is very enticing from a creative expression is an exploration in those complex gray area emotions.
Speaker C:Because there is melancholy, but there's also celebration of opportunity.
Speaker C:And I'm sure there's a German word that encapsulates both of those things at the same time.
Speaker B:You don't know it.
Speaker B:You were in Berlin.
Speaker A:Remember, she said English classes.
Speaker B:Okay, okay.
Speaker B:Yeah, I remember that part.
Speaker C:But there's.
Speaker C:It's that.
Speaker C:It's that complexity of.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You might be celebratory for all the great things that are happening.
Speaker C:That doesn't mean you don't have the downs from the other stuff at the same time.
Speaker D:Yeah, it's.
Speaker C:I think that's one of those great ways to express during, you know, in whatever creative expression you have.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I think it's Rewarding.
Speaker B:And I wonder if you had the same experience of, like, sometimes you feel like if you go ultra personal or ultra deep, that is niche.
Speaker B:And then you have the people that come up to you and share their memories and be like, oh, no, like, people know what I'm feeling.
Speaker B:People know what I'm talking about.
Speaker B:Even though, like, I experienced this thing and I thought it was super personal to me, it's like, no.
Speaker B:Like, a lot of people have gone through this.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:No, exactly.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:And I mean, I've.
Speaker D:I've, you know, chatted with other women who I've crossed paths with, too, or, you know, like, gone through a divorce, too.
Speaker D:And, you know, and we've had our moments where we've talked about things, and those things don't have to, like, you know, we can move on.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:You know, and.
Speaker D:And we can.
Speaker D:I don't know.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker D:It's just really.
Speaker D:It's really.
Speaker D:It's.
Speaker D:It's really been special to meet people through this who you can be real with.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:And.
Speaker D:And have those moments with.
Speaker D:And I think that's the whole point of creating art is, you know, whether it's just, like, silly and whimsy or whether it's, like, real.
Speaker D:I think that's kind of also why I want to, like, incorporate the clouds, because I think just from a visual standpoint, clouds are just nice and light and fluffy, but then you get up close and you're like, oh, shit.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker B:Yeah, this is that contrast.
Speaker A:This is kind of.
Speaker D:This is deep and real.
Speaker A:I don't know, because I will say my first impression before seeing anything.
Speaker A:I saw the clouds come out.
Speaker A:I was like, oh, that's gonna be fun.
Speaker D:It's cute, right?
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:That's what my mindset.
Speaker A:And then I walked over, and you were like, oh, help me.
Speaker A:You think this is too high or too low?
Speaker A:And I looked.
Speaker A:I. Wow, this looks kind of deep.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm happy I didn't yell out fun and right into the air.
Speaker A:And then you put up the.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then you put up the first little.
Speaker A:Your place card under it, and I was like, oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Not fun, but real.
Speaker A:Like, that's what.
Speaker A:That's what made.
Speaker A:Like when I saw that.
Speaker A:And, you know, I think it's obviously started with your.
Speaker A:Your grandmother, and then it ends with your.
Speaker A:Your wedding dress.
Speaker A:You know, it was just a beautiful, like, as I saw it come up and, you know, as I'm reading through the things that the image gave you, it.
Speaker A:The clouds bring you in.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then you can see what's happening.
Speaker D:Yeah, right.
Speaker A:And I think that's the beauty and, you know, the.
Speaker A:The way you.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:You told the art and then you had the.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:The great keychains.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:You were, you know, kind of.
Speaker A:I saw a lot of folks grab and then they see themselves, right?
Speaker A:There's the clouds, and then they flip it over.
Speaker A:There's a mirror.
Speaker A:It's a reflection, and you're like, okay,.
Speaker D:The brand is branding.
Speaker A:The brand is branding for sure.
Speaker A:And definitely appreciate it.
Speaker A:As we begin to wrap up, there is a question I want to ask.
Speaker A:So when you left the gallery that night and things kind of settled for you and you were getting ready to lay down for the evening, how did you feel?
Speaker D:I felt.
Speaker D:I felt full.
Speaker D:I felt full in a lot of ways.
Speaker D:It was really cool to, you know, I had some.
Speaker D:I had my.
Speaker D:My sister and some, you know, a couple of friends come back to my place and just hang for the night.
Speaker D:And we were just, like, on the couch, you know, chilling, and, you know, people were just saying that they were proud of me.
Speaker D:And I mean, I didn't.
Speaker D:I didn't do it for that.
Speaker D:But it's also just feels nice when it.
Speaker D:It's like genuine, like, connection and appreciation and, like, love that people felt.
Speaker D:And like I said, all throughout the night, I mean, it was two hours.
Speaker D:Felt like eight hours, to be honest.
Speaker D:I work from home, so I think when I'm, like, social like that, after a long period of time, I'm like, oh, my gosh, you know?
Speaker D:You know?
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:So all that to say, it was like a whirlwind.
Speaker D:But I, like, left just.
Speaker D:I, like, couldn't erase the smile from my face, and I'm like, all right, I'm getting some, like, chicken nuggets and fries.
Speaker D:I'm going to treat myself tonight, because I am.
Speaker D:I did, you know, but, like, yeah, it just felt really good.
Speaker D:And like I said, I just want to connect with people on just more than just a surface level.
Speaker D:And, you know, it's like, I always think about this, like, when I go to the grocery store, like, I know that there's the self checkout, and I'm not saying I don't use it, but, like, if I do do.
Speaker D:If I do go through, like, the grocery line and have a cashier, I usually try to just, you know, I'm like, hey, how are you?
Speaker D:Good.
Speaker D:What are you doing today?
Speaker D:When are you off?
Speaker D:What's up?
Speaker D:Like, you know.
Speaker D:You know, you get off soon, like, any plans and.
Speaker D:Because, I mean, I've also been a cashier and just had the monotonous, like, all right, like, checking things out.
Speaker D:But I just want to connect with people, and I want to talk more than just, like, how's the weather?
Speaker D:How are you?
Speaker D:Like, I really want to know, like, what's up?
Speaker D:We don't have to get, you know, too deep.
Speaker A:Maybe they want chicken and nuggets.
Speaker A:Chicken nuggets and fries.
Speaker A:After, you just go hang.
Speaker D:That's right.
Speaker A:Correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker A:And again, not stalking.
Speaker D:No.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:Did you share an image of the flower, your grandmother's flower, the day before, a day after?
Speaker A:I feel like I saw it in your feed.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:And the days or day or so after or before.
Speaker D:Yeah, I think it was the day before because I was like, oh, maybe I could.
Speaker D:Maybe I should bring some dahlias with me.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But, yeah, I remember seeing it after the fact, and I was like, oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker D:Oh.
Speaker A:So it was.
Speaker A:For me.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:It felt great to have that additional connection.
Speaker A:Then, obviously, we talked about the wine that your grandmother had in her hand.
Speaker A:A sweet bitch.
Speaker D:That's right.
Speaker A:The wine.
Speaker D:She was a sweet.
Speaker D:She drinks sweet.
Speaker A:So, like, put it out there.
Speaker A:We're speaking about the wine.
Speaker D:The wine, yes.
Speaker D:And I'm so.
Speaker B:For half a second, I'm like, k is crazy.
Speaker D:No, it's so funny on one today.
Speaker D:It's so funny because my grandma, she wasn't like, a heavy drinker.
Speaker D:She just liked.
Speaker D:She just liked to drink every once.
Speaker A:In a while, nice glass of wine.
Speaker D:She either had a glass of sweet bitch wine or Jack Daniels and a glass.
Speaker A:And, like, I mean, talk about a range, right?
Speaker A:That's a good.
Speaker B:That's a good balance.
Speaker D:It was.
Speaker A:My grandma also did not want to be put in a box.
Speaker D:And I was like, I respect that.
Speaker A:And the connection was my mom, one day, I was at her house, and she said, can you go down and get the sweet bitch?
Speaker A:And I had never heard of the wine before.
Speaker A:So I was like, what is she talking about?
Speaker A:So she's like, the wine in the fridge.
Speaker A:And when I saw it in that image, I shared it with you.
Speaker A:And you were like, you're probably the only person that sells.
Speaker A:I don't know how much they sell in terms of their wine, but I guess there's a small circle.
Speaker D:It was on Long Island.
Speaker D:I don't even know where she got it.
Speaker D:I've never seen it since, but I respect it.
Speaker A:I've only seen it at my mom's house.
Speaker A:And in that photo.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Is it only to.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker D:I'm like, where they find it, they sniff it out.
Speaker D:And I just, I also wanted to say one last thing about that photo with my grandma.
Speaker D:She was not.
Speaker D:She was beautiful.
Speaker D:Like she was gorgeous.
Speaker D:I don't know her.
Speaker D:She never wanted to give out her skin care secret but you know, she's always slathering her skin with vitamin E oil.
Speaker D:Anyways, she.
Speaker D:Even so I always thought, I always thought she was beautiful, but she didn't really like me taking her photos I think because she, you know, as she aged, like we all have to accept how we change over time.
Speaker D:And so I always saw her as beautiful and like, you know, just, yeah, I'm like goals.
Speaker D:But I think it was hard for her.
Speaker D:So I wanted.
Speaker D:I only have a handful of photos with her.
Speaker D:And so when she got diagnosed with cancer for the second time before she passed, I asked her, I had my camera with me and I was like, grandma, I, I know you don't like your photo taken, but will you just let me take this photo?
Speaker D:And she was like, okay darling.
Speaker D:And you know, and she, she had, at that point after chemo she had just started to get her hair growth back in a little bit, but she was wearing wigs and so she was like, let me put my wig on.
Speaker D:So she had like her, her like you know, house dress and like her, her back brace and you know, but.
Speaker D:And you know she's like my phone wig on.
Speaker D:So she like slapped her wig on, put a little lipstick, put her favorite heart shaped glasses on and she's like, oh, and I gotta grab the sweet bitch.
Speaker D:So she grabs the sweet bitch.
Speaker D:And so that photo that I have in the show is, you know, it's just meaningful for so many reasons.
Speaker D:And all that to say is, you know, with whoever you have in your life, cherish them.
Speaker D:You know, take advantage of the time you have with them.
Speaker D:You know, learn the recipes.
Speaker D:I wish I, I wish I wrote the things down that I could have but you know, learn the recipes for the, you know, family, you know, things that are in the family and just cherish, cherish that time.
Speaker D:Take the photos.
Speaker A:Yeah, and I think that's a great place to, to end.
Speaker A:But where can folks find you if they're looking for you on the can.
Speaker D:Find me at my house.
Speaker A:Not stalking, but looking for you on social media.
Speaker A:Maybe they want to do research.
Speaker D:I post a lot on Instagram at Mina Underscore Kessler.
Speaker D:That's my personal.
Speaker D:And then for my photo video work, I usually post on Media Creative and I guess I'm trying to branch out into TikTok too.
Speaker D:I don't even know my handle on that.
Speaker A:Yeah, good luck.
Speaker D:You can find me or not.
Speaker A:Thank you so much for joining us and sharing your story and the vulnerability and, and, and everything.
Speaker A:And again, beautiful show up at the farmhouse downtown.
Speaker A:Right there and available and I'm sorry, not available but to.
Speaker A:To see.
Speaker D:Take it.
Speaker D:I don't know.
Speaker A:Those things are on there.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:I help put them up.
Speaker A:They're not coming down, but great to, to, to visit and, and to see and grab a cup of coffee and just kind of sit with the work and, and I'm sure you'll connect with it as much as we did and everyone else in that space.
Speaker D:So thank you guys.
Speaker C:This has been a presentation of the Lunchadore Podcast network.
Speaker C:Just to remember, if you want to be a fancy bitch, you should eat the dahlia flowers and put them on your food.
Speaker C:They're delicious.
